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Romelia





19.10.2006 3:10   colici sau altceva?  citat 

Eu am crezut ,acum nu mai sunt sigura, ca copilul meu a avut colici( atat cei dati de gaze cat si cei dati de imaturitatea sistemului nervos) Dupa ce am citit insa articolul care il dau mai jos am avut o revelatie,acum incep sa ma indoiesc ca a avut colici
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Although it is quite normal to worry that you don't have enough milk for your baby many moms actually wish they had less milk. These women are said to have overabundant milk supplies, also known as hyperlactation syndrome, when the supply is more than what is needed by the baby. Often, these moms will suffer with frequently engorged breasts that many times lead to bothersome leaking and plugged ducts and breast infections. Their babies may seem fussy a lot, many times exhibiting colic-like symptoms with excessive gas and spitting-up (and even vomiting). These same babies may also have consistently green, watery stools and gain more than the typical 1/2-1 ounce a day during the first 4 months. They also tend to nurse frequently from both breasts, sometimes as often as every hour. Some babies may clamp down on or fold over the nipple during feeding as a means to slow the flow of milk down, especially if mother also has a forceful letdown. Often the nipple will be white at the end of the feeding and/or creased and feedings will probably be painful. The baby may periodically refuse to nurse due to his frustration at "keeping up with the milk".


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The underlying cause of the baby's symptoms is a disproportionate intake of the low-fat foremilk, the milk that is made available to the baby early in the feeding. When a baby consumes large amounts of this watery foremilk and less of the fatty hindmilk, that is made available as the feeding progresses, his stomach empties rapidly while at the same time dumping excess lactose into the bowel. The result is many times like that of colic in the baby.
Usually these symptoms can be relieved for mother and baby by making a few changes in the nursing pattern. Start by making sure that you allow your baby to completely finish one side before you offer the other by waiting until he pulls off himself, goes to sleep, or ceases to actively suck and swallow. Don't feel that you have to interrupt his nursing on the first side after a certain amount of time. It is much more important that he get the right balance of milk during the feeding than that he nurse both sides. If after finishing the first side, he does not want the second side, don't worry. He probably does not need it. If you are uncomfortable, you can hand express or pump just enough to relieve any pressure.
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If this change in pattern does not bring about improvement, then it is usually recommend that you limit the baby to one side for up to 2 -3 hours before nursing on the other side. Some mothers with especially over-abundant supplies may have to go even longer periods, nursing on only the same side.

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Tot referitor la colici, mamei i se spune sa nu manance aia sau aia ca face copilul gaze
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There are NO foods that you should avoid simply because you are breastfeeding. It is generally recommended that a nursing mother eat whatever she likes, whenever she likes, in the amounts that she likes and continue to do this unless baby has an obvious reaction to a particular food.
It's suggested that everyone, particularly pregnant and nursing mothers, avoid eating certain types of fish that are typically high in mercury.
It is a good idea to restrict caffeine and alcohol to a certain extent, but it is rarely necessary to eliminate them.
Some food proteins (such as cow's milk protein or peanut protein) do pass into mother's milk. If there is a history of food allergies in your family, you may wish to limit or eliminate the allergens common in your family
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The idea that certain foods in any mom's diet will cause gas in her baby is incredibly persistent but is not founded in research. If certain foods in moms' diets were an overall problem for most babies, we would expect that cultures that emphasize those foods would have more gassy and fussy babies, but this does not occur at all.
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Breastmilk is made from what passes into mom's blood, not what is in her stomach or digestive track Gas in mom's body cannot pass into breastmilk.
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Astept sa citesc si alte alternative la "colici' pentru ca e surprinzator cat de multi copii sunt catalogati a avea colici si li se aplica tot felul de tratamente.Eu am fost unul dintre parinti respectivi,recunosc si sper ca o informatie in plus poate sa-i ajute pe altii sa nu testeze pe copil si x si y


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papusa1





19.10.2006 3:55     citat 

Din fericire, eu una am beneficiat de sfatul unei asistente si al unui medic destul de priceputi in puericultura si alaptat, asa ca nu m-am grabit cu nici un fel de medicament (chiar si "natural") sau ceai, absolut inutile in evolutia asa zisilor colici... In realitate, dam vina pe colici, pentru cu totul altceva, iar aceasta problema este in genere absolut trecatoare, fireasca si nu necesita "tratament". La fel cu mitul alimentatiei in timpul alaptatului!!!! M-am informat suficient ca sa inteleg ca nici un aliment nu poate stimula lactatia, pe de-o parte, sau nu poate inhiba bebelusul de la supt din cauza "gustului" prea puternic sa zicem. Sa nu uitam ca bebelusul nostru e deja familiarizat cu "gusturile" inca din viata uterina. Cat esti gravida nu spune nimeni: nu manca varza sau usturoi sau fasole ca nu-i priesc bebelusului, nu?

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gazzella




Locatie: Quebec, Ca
Copii
F: 16 ani, 1 luna
B: 14 ani, 2 luni
M: 8 ani, 9 luni

20.10.2006 11:55     citat 

Romelia, eu nu cred in mitul colicilor.
Nu stiu daca ti-a ajuns cartea lui Liedloff.
Ai sa vezi ca sunt foarte multe comunitati care n-au in vocabular cuvantul colici.
Intre timp uite ce-ti las
http://www.labouroflove.org/babies/the-...m-concept/
http://thewellspring.com/Cat/Adult_book...ncept.html
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/nat...ing/106687
http://www.awok.org/continuum_concept/
http://www.continuum-concept.org

Ei bine, colicile se instaleaza dupa ce acest continuum s-a rupt.


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mamikuta




Locatie: Galati
Copii
Radu: 18 ani, 1 luna
Alexandra: 14 ani, 5 luni

22.10.2006 8:06     citat 

Romelia, eu nu stiu engleza, imi poti spune si mie ,in mare, despre ce e vorba in articolul citat de tine? Ca si pe mine baiatul m-a chinuit cu "colici". As fi curioasa ce altceva ar fi putut avea.

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Romelia





23.10.2006 4:36     citat 

In primul citat e vorba de hiperlactatie cand oferta e mai mare decat cererea. In aceste situatii multi copii manifesta simptome asemanatoare colicilor, sunt agitati, plangaciosi,au gaze multe, regurgiteaza,uneori vomita. Au scaune verzi, apoase si iau in greutate peste tipar. Sug des de obicei din ambii sani. Copilul poate sa refuze de multe ori sanul frustrat ca nu poate tine pasul cu laptele(mi=amintesc f bine cat de tare se enerva Eric cand il puneam la san si refuza sanul desi ii era foame, incerca iar, plangea si ma termina nervos si pe mine)
Cauza e disproportia dintre lowfat foremilk(care nu-i stiu traducerea in romana dar e laptele de la inceput care emai apos si stinge setea copilului) si fatty hindmilk(laptele gras, mai consistent) cel care satura de fapt copilul. Cand copilul consuma cantitati mari de foremilk stomacul digera repede, scaunele sunt dese iar rezultatele sunt asemanatoare colicilor.
rezolvarea ar fi in schimbarea modului de alaptare, adica tinut copilul la un singur san pentru o perioada de 2,3 ore chiar daca asta inseamna mai multe alaptari, pentru a fi sigura ca copilul a golit sanul inainte de a trece la celalalt san


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Romelia





23.10.2006 4:48     citat 

Pe urma referitor la alimentatie spune ca mama nu trebuie sa-si modifice alimentatia cand alapteaza-referitor la legumele care produc gaze- deoarece laptele se formeaza din nutrienti care ajung in sange, nu conteaza ce se intampla in intestine, daca mama are gaze sau nu, atentie la cofeina sau alcool insa.Alimentatia de baza in Mexic contine mult ardei iute si fasole si nu-si schimba mamele alimentatia, asta nu inseamna ca toti copii de acolo au colici,nu

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Romelia





23.10.2006 5:16     citat 

Pe urma gazzela vorbeste de Conceptul continuu carte bazata pe studiile unei americance,facute in america de sud,intro comunitatide indieni. Conceptul continuu spune ca pentru a atinge un optim in dezvoltarea emotionala,fizica si mentala ,copii au nevoie de experienta la care specia noastra s-a adaptat de-a lungul evolutiei
O asemenea experienta include: contact fizic cu mama de la nastere, dormitul cu parintii pana pleaca de bunavoie, hranit la cerere, purtat in brate in timp ce adultulisi facetreba in mod normal pana cand copilul incepe sa se deplaseze singur,raspuns imediat la cererile-nevoiele emotionale ale copilului fara fi puse la indoiala autenticitatea lor, sa simta ca este acceptat de catre adulti pentru ceea ce este
In contrast cu acesta, in tarile vestice se practica: separarea copilului de mama la nastere, izolati in sali unde nu aud decat plansul altor bebelusi, diverse investigatii medicale, pus sa doarma singur,lasat sa planga pana adoarme ca sa invete sa adoarma singur,hranit dupa program, izolat de activitatile adultului in tarcuri cu diverse jucarii menite sa compenseze lipsa adultului, ignorate semnalele lui sau raspunzandu-i cu anxietate, simtedin partea adultilor ca comportamentul lui in afara regulilor societati este indezirabil
Evolutia nu a pregatit copilul pentru o astfel de experienta. El nu intelege de ce plansului si nevoilor lui nu i se raspunde,si ajunge sa creada ca pornirile lui sunt gresite
Nu pot sa continui acum cu traducerea revin maine


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Romelia





23.10.2006 7:30     citat 

Uite ca s-a deschis un subiect mai detaliat Attachement parenting, gasesti acolo mai multe detalii despre ce inseamna acest concept continuu

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mamikuta




Locatie: Galati
Copii
Radu: 18 ani, 1 luna
Alexandra: 14 ani, 5 luni

29.10.2006 8:01     citat 

Multumesc mult Romelia pentru ca ti-ai rupt din timp si mi-ai tradus. Abia astazi am avut timp sa deschid calculatorul.

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gazzella




Locatie: Quebec, Ca
Copii
F: 16 ani, 1 luna
B: 14 ani, 2 luni
M: 8 ani, 9 luni

02.12.2006 7:16     citat 

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