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Onush





21.04.2005 12:25     citat 

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Nu cred ca poti compara UTC-ul cu hitlerismul.
Am citit multe despre miscarea hitlerista, garda de fier, legionari, si am tras cocluzia ca doctrina ramane si peste zeci de ani. Normal ca aceasta este o parere personala, la fel si cea ca papa, Vaticanul, nu este doar intruchiparea binelui.
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Nu vorbim aici despre doctrine ci despre o tara aflata sub dictatura unde indiferent de opinie sau convingere ( despre care nu putem vorbi la 14 ani) daca nu mergeai cu valul aterizai in beciurile Gestapoului indiferent cat de bun german ai fi fost...
Tinerii hitleristi nu era o organizatie de convingere ci o forma de inregimentare a tuturor tinerilor ...
Cat despre biserica care face sau nu politica ... sa fim seriosi ... INTOTDEUNA BISERICA A FOST POLITICA ... de ce ar fi acum o exceptie confuz ... si nu vorbesc aici doar de biserica romano-catolica trist
Chiar mai crede cineva ca credinta este sinonima cu institutia bisericii confuz


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21.04.2005 12:48     citat 

Oare mai existau razboaiele din ultimii ani, daca nu existau religiile.
Si peurma care stat a tinut cu care, depindea de religie, este analiza mea personala. La noi gagiu primeste bice, si nu are incotro, critica cea mai mare o capata la problema celibatului, la rolul femeii in biserica
lui. Dar el ce sa faca daca schimba ceva ar trebuii sa se numeasca evanghelic. Nu am inteles de ce zice ca capata probleme cu religia ortodoxa daca preotii lui au voie sa se casatoreasca.


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22.04.2005 3:57     citat 

eu am citit undeva ca a dezertat din armata germana ... extrem de riscant, dezertorii erau impuscati pe loc. si era doar un adolescent.

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Locatie: DEVA
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Ana-Maria: 32 ani, 7 luni
Cristiana: 16 ani, 5 luni

22.04.2005 12:18     citat 

onush faptul ca INTOTDEAUNA biserica a fost poilitica nu ma obliga pe mine, acum, sa fiu de acord cu asta.
Eu sunt adepta schimbarilor, chiar daca lucrurile au stat intr-un anume fel odata, nu e obligatoriu ca acum sa imbratisez aceasta idee sau fapt daca nu sunt de acord cu el.
Raman la [b]ideea mea personala,[/b] in primul rand nu sunt de acord cu toate mizeriile Vaticanului, le accept si admir pe cele bune, dar cred ca sunt putine comparativ cu cele proaste; si in al doilea rand, avand alta religie, nu ma ,,plec" in fata papei, la figurat vorbind.
Avem si noi patriarhul nostru si toata schema bisericeasca, insa se pare ca desi ei sunt ai nostri, mai multe stim de catolici, de papa.
Sa nu ma intelegeti gresit, nu sunt impotriva altor religii, imi place sa am informatii, dar se reduc doar la cultura generala. Am avut cateva cunostinte care erau reformate, si am admirat unitatea din sanul bisericii lor; am cunoscut tineri pocaiti (nu stiu ce religie) care aveau un bun simt extraordinar; eu aici am facut referire doar faptul ca ar trebui sa ne implicam mai mult in biserica noastra decat in a altora.


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22.04.2005 2:09     citat 

Dacule, nu ma intelege gresit ... singurul lucru pe care l-am combatut din ce ai zis tu e partea cu tineretul nazist.
In privinta faptului ca biserica (indiferent care ) este politica ... nu te contrazic, din contra .... doar ma mir ca inca oamenii se asteapta la mai mult de la "inaltii prelati". jenat


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22.04.2005 3:21     citat 

Papa o fi el catolic si s-o inchina el invers decat noi, dar dincolo de asta este conducatorul unei religii crestine, care a pornit din aceeasi radacina ca si ortodoxia si nu neaparat ca e crestina dar are aceleasi principii morale. cum ziceau si alte persoane, religia e una si credinta e alta. religia e doar o manifestare a credintei. cine nu gaseste in sine metoda necesara exprimarii acestui sentiment are nevoie de religie, ca si conduita, si de biserica, ca si grup social.
nu stiu ce-a facut sau ce-a scris Patriarhul Romaniei, stiu doar de niste scandaluri politice in care a fost implicat. dar stiu ca Papa Ioan Paul al II-lea a fost un om de-o noblete sufleteasca extraordinara, un luptator pentru drepturile omului si un filozof, o figura universala marcanta.


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Locatie: brasov
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Theodor-Aron: 22 ani, 11 luni
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Dorothea Maria: 13 ani, 3 luni

22.04.2005 6:28     citat 

nu vreau deloc sa intru in discutii contradictorii, mai ales ca eu sunt catolica, dar cred ca inainte de a arunca cu piatra in conducatorul altora, e bine sa ne uitam in curtea noastra. Ati auzit cred de contributia patriarhului la chinul Bisericii Greco/Catolice... atatia oameni adevarati au murit pentru credinta lor cu acordul lui Teoctist...
Sa nu uitam ca si azi sunt sute de biserici construite de greco/catolici in care slujesc ortodocsi, asta in conditiile in care orice alta proprietate a fost recunoscuta, mai putin cele ale greco/catolicilor. Oamenii pot fi evacuati si sa ramana in strada pentru ca a venit fostul proprietar,, dar bisericile raman in posesia ortodocsilor. In Brasov exista 30 de biserici ortodoxe, dar biserica pe care au construit-o greco-catolicii nu este retrocedata, acesti oameni participand la slujbe in gradinite sau foste cantine.

Scuze daca am jignit pe cineva, nu ma refer la ortodoxie pentru care am un respect deosebit, ci la faptul ca fiecare padure are uscaturile ei, asa ca ar trebui sa ne uitam fiecare la ale noastre.
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Eu personal ma bucur ca Benedict a fost un apropiat al Papei Ioan Paul al II-lea, ceea ce inseamna mult, chiar daca e putin cam prea conservator pentru mine.
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25.04.2005 9:12     citat 

Pana la urma toate avem dreptate; fiecare avem prisma nostra din care vedem lucrurile.
Eu nu vreau sa dau cu piatra in biserica....oricare ar fi ea; asa cum spune dianaby, incercam sa vad doar de curtea mea. In mesajul de mai sus spuneam de unitatea din cadrul bisericii reformate, unitate care in biserica ortodoxa nu prea exista; preotii nostri nu fac prea multe pentru a ne indrepta spre biserica; asa cum spuneati fiecare padure isi are uscaturile.


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